Trump odds to win the 2020 Election

CalebWetherell

PredictIt still suggests people are willing to bet money the odds are about 11%!!! Pretty wild that the probability is that high (according to bettors).

BigPeePee

I'm fairly certain that there was election fraud, but I doubt Trump will get anywhere in his lawsuits.

CalebWetherell

BigPeePee There is election fraud every year. But that just means a few people voted twice, etc. Nothing systemic that would change the course of the election.

You think there was enough fraud that the outcome of the election changed due to the fraud? That seems highly unlikely to me.

My very wise 8th grade U.S. History teacher told us in class: "A secret is hard to keep once more than a few people get involved." I haven't believed a single conspiracy theory since.

BigPeePee

CalebWetherell

A secret is hard to keep once more than a few people get involved.

The secret isn't being kept. False narratives are being pushed by the media and anti-trump factions in the government much like the Russia conspiracy hoax.
I don't know how any reasonable person can believe the government isn't acting against Trump after that shitshow. 3 years of investigation that lead to arrests for small-time financial crimes unrelated to the Russia hoax. A couple of Russian netizens buying pro-Trump facebook Ads is their proof of "election interference".
If there's any reason to believe in the "Deep State", it's the Russia Conspiracy Hoax that was being peddled by the government and the media.

Also, not a Trump fan. He's a buffoon, but any reasonable person would see that a large part of the government is anti-Trump.

Aviva

BigPeePee large part of the government is anti-trump for a good reason. Trump is the worst president in US history. That doesn't mean there is systemic voter fraud that would change the outcome.

Fact of the matter is, with mail-in voting and lots of early voting, it was easier this year to vote at all and harder to entirely suppress the vote of minorities. Add to this lots of people who loathe trump and want him out, so they all voted, and voted against Trump because he sucks.

BigPeePee

Aviva

Trump is the worst president in US history.

I have to agree. He had a Republican Senate and House in his first 2 years, but he wasted his opportunity on some bullshit tax cuts that none of the working class white voters that vaulted him to the White House asked for.

That could've been our only chance for long-term immigration changes, but due to Trump's incompetence, the US may become a 3rd world country. There is a reason why poor nations are poor. The people in those nations made their home countries poor, so why should we bring them in?

The US will become like Brazil in the coming decades. The vast majority of the country will be poor. Hope you bought bitcoin when it was $3,000.

Aviva

BigPeePee lol you're such a racist.

Trump is the worst president in US history for many reasons, but the top of that list for me is his handling of COVID. I don't give a shit about long-term immigration changes.

BigPeePee

Aviva

lol you're such a racist.

I am not a racist. I want my kids to live in a prosperous country.

Trump is the worst president in US history for many reasons, but the top of that list for me is his handling of COVID.

And how would Biden have handled the situation better when he called Trump a racist for closing our borders to China? COVID would have spread no matter who was President.
And why would you vote for the pro-China guy when China is the one primarily at fault for spreading the virus? This is like rape victim blaming - You blame the victim but not the rapist.

Aviva

he didn't call Trump a racist for closing our borders to China. He called Trump a racist because Trump is a racist. Biden was not president at the time. Had he been president, he would have the same intelligence that told Trump to close the border to China as did other countries before him. Biden would have closed that border too.

Trump lied about us rounding the corner since he said it will be over by Easter. Trump held countless super spreader events. Trump's strategy to fight the virus was to infect as many people as possible.

BigPeePee

Aviva

He called Trump a racist because Trump is a racist.

Yeah, Trump is probably a racist. He's that stereotypical white guy who claims to have black friends to appear non-racist,
but so what? Do you see any other candidate tackling the immigration issue as hard as Trump is?

Biden was not president at the time. Had he been president, he would have the same intelligence that told Trump to close the border to China as did other countries before him. Biden would have closed that border too.

No, he would have called Xi Jinping and asked what Xi would do. Biden is China's prostitute.

Trump lied about us rounding the corner since he said it will be over by Easter. Trump held countless super spreader events. Trump's strategy to fight the virus was to infect as many people as possible.

Yeah, he lied. Get over it. No one could've handled it any better. Look at Europe.

BigPeePee

Also, @CalebWetherell and @Aviva

Did both of you grow up in all-white neighborhoods? I bet your only interaction with non-whites was in school and/or work.

Aviva

BigPeePee yup, I did, and I hated my old neighborhood on Staten Island. I don't live there anymore. Bunch of racist Trumpkins live there and my old zip code has the highest covid rate in all of NYC because those idiots don't take this virus seriously due to their god Trump telling them not to. Now I live in Manhattan.

BigPeePee

Aviva

yup, I did,

Yeah, I suspected you and Caleb grew up in all-white neighborhoods. White people who lived in all-white neighborhoods are the most pro-diversity and pro-immigration.
Aside from me, all the whites who grew up in Jamaica, Far Rockaway, and Harlem are low-key racists.

Aviva

BigPeePee Trump has been responsible for super spreader events. I know for a damn fact that Biden would not have held super spreader events, by evidenced of the fact that he hasn't.

Aviva

and no, i'm not going to "get over it" that Trump lied. I voted him out.

Aviva

@BigPeePee so, were you permabanned from GoActuary.com in addition to the ao? is that why you're here?

BigPeePee

Aviva Never had an account on GoActuary.

I know you think I'm a racist, but I'm really not. I want what's best for all Americans, and the truth is that not all immigration is good for the country. If you're talking about people like Elon Musk, then that's fine.
If you're talking about some 80 IQ guy from a random country from the diversity lotto, then no. That person will be a burden on the country. As our economy becomes more technologically-inclined, having a low IQ will be a hindrance.
Like most things in life, moderation is best. Open borders isn't moderation.

Aviva

There is a reason why my old zip code has the highest infection rate in all of NYC. It's because they listen to Trump who discourages social distancing and politicizing mask-wearing.

BigPeePee

Aviva Honestly, it wouldn't have made a huge difference. It doesn't matter which country you look at aside from a couple. They all have problems.

Aviva

we didn't have open borders under obama.

so, are you done defending Trump's handling of COVID?

BigPeePee

Aviva

we didn't have open borders under obama.

Biden is talking about amnesty. That's pretty much open borders, as it will encourage people to immigrate illegally, knowing that the Dems will eventually grant them citizenship.

Not all immigrants make America great. A few smart ones do. We need to target the latter and get rid of the former.